11/9/08 -- Curator Gary Garrels in conversation with artists Mark Grotjahn, Wade Guyton, Mary Heilmann, Amy Sillman, Charline von Heyl, and Christopher Wool.

Long and not very informative but for the sublime Mary Heilmann and the silent Wade Guyton. Wool is, as usual, an ass. Sillman and von Heyl are pedantic. At one point the question was raised about new models. How about Jacques Rancière:

http://www.artandresearch.org.uk/v2n1/ranciere.html

Yes, Greenberg is important but, really, Mary Heilmann attempting to seduce Robert Smithson with painting is so much more engaging.

Everybody talks about the weather, we don't.